Charles Lancaster Serial Numbers

1. Charles Lancaster Obituary

I was under the impression that Chas. Lancaster guns with a '0' in the prefix were not actually made in the Lancaster factory at 151 New Bond St. Most of these types of guns being 'body action' type guns or mid-grade sidelocks. Does anyone here have a good idea of who was contracted or sourced to build these 'O' prefix guns for Lancasters?

I've noticed that still all of the guns that I've looked at with '0' prefix still bear London proof marks, I've never seen one with Birmingham proofs. Any help, thoughts or good info is of course, greatly appreciated.Dustin#221260 - 03/11/11 12:34 PM Re: Charles Lancaster '0' prefix in serial numbersSidelockRegistered: 07/02/10Posts: 1284Loc: UK. T,I was hoping to find out exactly 'who' made the guns for Lancaster. AA Brown, Leonard, etc. More specifically, the self-openers, I've never seen another Lancaster (Beesley) type self-opener with another makers name on it, have you?I did read a short article noting that F.

Beesley did produce a few guns utilizing his patent No.425 of 1884 though, never seen one, but they do exist.When you mention seeing 'best' Lancasters with prefix zero, are you saying you've seen Lancaster Model A's and 12/20's with the 0 prefix? I have not, but I'll admit, I've only seen a few 12/20's and a few Model A's. Interesting.DustinEdited by LeFusil ( 03/11/11 01:49 PM)#221274 - 03/11/11 02:08 PM Re: Charles Lancaster '0' prefix in serial numbersSidelockRegistered: 02/01/02Posts: 300Loc: Charlotte NC USA.

It is my understanding that the '0' series guns were all made by Beesley using his patents including his interceptor sear, 'self opening' action (often known at the 'wrist breaker') etc and can be found in both boxlock (see Joe's post above) and backaction sidelock forms. David Baker mentions this and says that he assumes that 'a deal was struck between HAA Thorn ('Charles Lancaster') and Beesley'.

Charles Lancaster Obituary

I had this information from a couple of other sources but am damned if I can remember where! Nigel Brown mentions the '0' prefix but does not comment on its significance other than that the guns were outsourced.#221300 - 03/11/11 06:12 PM Re: Charles Lancaster '0' prefix in serial numbersSidelockRegistered: 10/28/06Posts: 1542Loc: Utah. Thank you guys.

Toby, dont feel all that bad, I can't remember where I read that information either, but I know I read it somewhere! I just perused through some books and articles and none of them mention the 'who', they just seem to mention that the '0' guns were indeed made by somebody other than Lancasters.The notion that the 'body' action guns were made by F.

Beesely suits me just fine, that's quite a pedigree.I just acquired gun #07825, #1 of a pair, 'body action'.Dustin#221371 - 03/12/11 09:07 AM Re: Charles Lancaster '0' prefix in serial numbersSidelockRegistered: 11/03/06Posts: 591. Dustin,more research may be needed here. Beesley's shop was very small and capable of producing only small numbers of guns each year. Looking at the records in Brown's book show years where sales were below 50 and even 30 guns. But he was known for licensing his patents to others. Judging from the number of wrist breakers we see on the market today there must of been a considerable amount made and sold back then.So I can't see Beesley being the source for Lancaster's O grade guns.

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The Lancaster Records are now with Mr. Ron Wharton, Riflemaker. He took posession of records after David Perkins passed away. David and Ron had both worked for Rigbys until they had gone out on their own to build guns.Ron can be contacted through www.bunduki.co.ukMargarita Booker at Bunduki should be able to look up the gun number and tell you some details around it and also the number of the No.2 gun.The No. 2 is not 13266 as we would assume, as I can tell you that the Lancaster with number 13266 is a.280 Sidelock Double Rifle!If you post the number of the No. 2 gun here it might open up some leads. This message was edited by: Fletched Pair on 2009-09-21 10:22.